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Thursday, March 02, 2006

The Protestant Pub

I started reading blogs a year ago this month and one of the first ones I began to follow was SOFYST. At the time I couldn’t tell you why. This student and theologian seemed to try and constantly irritate everyone and was never anything less than confrontational and controversial. Now I would love to say all that has changed but it hasn’t. Adam is no less confrontational and no less controversial than he was a year ago, to the contrary, he has refined it to an art form. To say he no longer raises the brow would be an out and out lie. Now the SOFYST blog, as we knew it, is no more. Adam has decided to parlay his talents with several other gifted writers and authors and created a site devoted to dealing with every taboo and hot topic involving the Church and/or government. Now not all who write there are as confrontational as Adam but the topics they deal with rarely fall outside of the controversial category, if ever. Consider this quote taken straight from the site:

“The Protestant Pub exists to encourage discussion regarding religion and politics. Here there is no seperation of church and state, they are both to be discussed.”

While I would prefer to keep this fact secret I think it only fair that each of you judge for yourself so please drop in on The Protestant Pub and get back to me with your impressions. Should this type of blog even be allowed to exist? Now if this isn’t enough to ruffle your feathers there’s also a forum at the Pub where everyone is encouraged to take part! Is there anyone who can reason with these irreverent brethren? If so please sign up on the forum and let reason prevail!

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37 Comments:

Blogger Corry said...

First impression: Way over my head!

I enjoy it vicariously by seeing how much you enjoy it:-)

God's Grace.

3/02/2006 07:49:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

;-)

3/02/2006 07:53:00 AM  
Blogger Jayne said...

Nothing a little disclaimer won’t take care of: Reader discretion is advised. :)

Hope all is well!

3/02/2006 08:28:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Good one Jayne! I'd even say LOTS of reader descreation advised! ;-)

3/02/2006 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger Kristi said...

I love the Pub and the forum, although many times, like now, I get behind, and cannot seem to catch up with everything going on!

When I first started reading Adam's blog (through his brother Josh, a friend of mine) I was quite taken back that a Christian would actually attempt to discuss some of these things.

But it's been very good for me. I've had to really examine my beliefs in every area of my life, and judge myself. Why do I believe what I believe? Do I even know what I believe?

All in all, it's great stuff and very beneficial to the mature Christian who can handle confrontation and controversy.

3/02/2006 09:14:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Kristi, Corry knows how much I appreciate every one of you. It takes courage to deal with life and you've all proven yourselves to be quite valiant. ;-)

3/02/2006 09:32:00 AM  
Blogger dorsey said...

Did someone say "reader discretion" or "reader desecration?" Either way, both happen at the Pub. hehe

3/02/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

In abundance! Too funny Dorse!

3/02/2006 09:52:00 AM  
Blogger Gordon Cloud said...

I found this blog provacative and challenging. Thanks for telling us about it.

3/02/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Gorden thanks for the feedback. You might enjoy the forum as well. It's VERY informal and sometimes VERY irreverant but mostly in good fun and in love with a sincere desire for spiritual growth. Not for everyone, but then what is? ;-)

3/02/2006 10:28:00 AM  
Blogger Seeker said...

I do visit the Pub... sit in the corner and listen. It's like going to the library and browsing. You don't always know what you're looking for, but you sort through; and find some things you like and some you don't. Apply the good stuff.

3/02/2006 10:59:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Karen I never knew! I better clean up my act in there! (hehe)
;-)

3/02/2006 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger pecheur said...

Since i am feeling froggy today I think I will jump and drop my little bomb and let you Kc clean up the mess.

Actually i think I'll keep my comments to myself as I refelect. Christians...they are going to be the death of me. Carry on my wayward sons...

3/02/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger dorsey said...

"Christians...they are going to be the death of me."

Didn't Joan of Arc say that? ;-)

3/02/2006 12:36:00 PM  
Blogger Kc said...

Pech you're among friends here, do tell! ;-)

ba-da-boom! Folks a man who needs no introduction. Dorsey not only heats up the blogsphere but he also serves as resident heritic at the pub. ;-)

3/02/2006 12:49:00 PM  
Blogger Jim said...

Kc, I personally don't have time to waste chit chatting with people who are not serious about the issues.

I did take a quick peek over there and found some articles rather interesting. I appreciate it when people are willing to tackle the difficult questions, as long as they are doing so in a constructive way.

The best way to censure a certain blogsite is simply to avoid it. This is true democracy here.

God bless,
Jim

3/02/2006 01:23:00 PM  
Blogger Kc said...

Jim thanks for your thoughts. I have been studying with these fellows for sometime and it's only their approach that's not serious. They have proved themselves very serious about the Lord and His people. ;-)

3/02/2006 01:34:00 PM  
Blogger nathaniel adam king said...

You're mom's serious.

3/02/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger nathaniel adam king said...

I love Kc.

3/02/2006 03:42:00 PM  
Blogger Kc said...

Yeah, but you love you most ;P

3/02/2006 04:02:00 PM  
Blogger Kitty Cheng said...

My boss keeps telling me that where there is an argument, there is always an opposite one...this forum certainly proves that. I find Protestant Pub engaging and challenging. Thanks for pointing me there Kc. Will certainly keep an eye on the site.

3/03/2006 12:28:00 AM  
Blogger Rose~ said...

It seems like an interesting place.

3/03/2006 06:46:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Kitty that's so true. What I've found interesting is that so often what is being argued is only a facade and the real disagreement lies beneath it. ;-)

Rose thanks for checking it out. I'll be honest and say the behavior in the forum at times reminds me of a frat house so it might be difficult to abide for some but I do love these guys. They tend to behave better with the ladies. ;-)

3/03/2006 07:00:00 AM  
Blogger Rose~ said...

Hey, wait a minute. I was just at the Calvinist Gadfly, and I saw where the Sofyst called my writing "dribble." Maybe I should take back my compliment about his place being interesting. :~)
Calvinist Gadfly

3/03/2006 07:43:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Okay Adam you're on your own with this one! ;-)

3/03/2006 07:56:00 AM  
Blogger Rose~ said...

Adam,
Are you trying to sic the Gadfly and his friends on me?
;~)
I would like to hear from you what you think of my dribble. If you think I have a flaw in my reasoning, I would appreciate a comment on that post. I can take it! ;~)
If you are a friend of kc, then I am sure we can be friendly too. I have a lot of Calvinist friends and appreciate discussing these things in a friendly way.

3/03/2006 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger pecheur said...

Dorsey,

LOL. Sometimes I feel like Jeanne!!

What a great gal!

3/03/2006 09:04:00 AM  
Blogger nathaniel adam king said...

Rose, the 'dribble' was not specifically in reference to your post. It was more in reference to the entire site. Specifically Antonio's repeated emotional appeals, i.e. illogical, i.e. dribble...

I actually kind of liked your piece. Didn't agree with it, but I liked it. VERY colorful. :)

And I think you freegracers need all the sicking we Calvinist can muster.

I LOVE non-Calvinist, they give me someone to argue with. I have to resort to playing devil's advocate when I am around a bunch of Calvinist. So, it is not our disagreement that would make me unfriendly to you. However, repeated unmerrited attacks on Calvinism which is common from some of your blogging partners are what would cause me to be unfriendly, not uncordial, but unfriendly.

In a word, the reason that Calvinism is not, and cannot, be considered anthropocentric, is because while we do have a high view of election (a Scriptural view), it is still an act of God. Granted, the objects of the election are man, but our focus is upon God, and God's wholly other right to elect who He wants, in accordance with His good pleasure and mysterious will.

It is like if you considered my writing. If I wrote a lot about...um...flowers, your love for my writing would not have to be because you love flowers. You could love me, or love my style. It wouldn't be my focus on flowers that catches your attention, or excites your favor, it would be me, my writing, my creation.

The same is true with the Calvinistic election. We love election, because we love God. If God elected coconuts to salvation, we would still think it (election) is grand and magnificent only because it was done by Him. We do not focus upon who is elected or not (we do not know), we only delight in the fact that He, out of mercy, would even elect.

THAT is why I disagree with your piece. It is misguided.

You seem reasonable. Leave the dark-side my friend. Come join my group blog. BWAHAHAH!!!

I hope I did not offend you, I did not mean to offend you personally.

awaiting the hope,
Adam

3/03/2006 09:13:00 AM  
Blogger Rose~ said...

Sofyst,
I do not get offended over theological discussions. There are certain things that offend me, but not cordial discussion. The "dribble" comment just made me wonder what you were trying to do and why you couldn't just address my thoughts on the post you read .. . which you have now done! Thank you. I left an answer for you there on "Unashamed of Grace."

It is very bright and hopeful from where I stand!
BWAHAHAH!!!

3/03/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous josh said...

Hey Kc as the brother of the Sofyst, I appreciate you doing this piece, it has seemed to bring a few new minds to The Pub and I hope it still will. I think I will steal yet another of your great idea's and make a similar post on my site as well. I hope those who read your blog and have an opinion of The Pub (Right or Wrong :) ) will make post on their site and on and on. Lone live The Pub! I do rather like the whole enter if you dare atmosphere we seem to be portraying. Blog on. Josh

3/03/2006 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Josh thanks! I'm anxious to see your post. I'm still laughing at your right or wrong comment. Let's face it, the pub AIN'T RIGHT! LOL

Friends Josh has several great articles posted on the pub. ;-)

3/03/2006 11:54:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

For my own thoughts on the previous comments;

For the record I have found Antonio to be scripturally very sound in all he teaches. His defense of his arguments are near flawless. I find his passion to see the Gospel proclaimed to all men to be an example to us all.

I have been blessed many times over reading Rose's Reasonings and she has a great heart for just this sort of debate. Her patience is admirable.

In spite of my jokes about Adam in this roast promoting the pub I find him to be a wonderful friend and very devoted to God. I have been blessed tremdously in all my studies with him and I am looking forward to any and all discussions between the three of these.

3/03/2006 12:59:00 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

Adam reeks with dribble!

But I must love him..........he is southern baptist..........thats why he is so totally depraved.

But thats ok to. He remains baptist only by the perseverence and the unlimited atonement of irresitable brethren who have refined the art of inventing committees and electing members to them without any conditions whatsoever.
a hug & a kind word is grace for the heart....especially if its "freely" given. :)

kc, I will get to your 3 parts of our creature thread as soon as possible.

I am so busy for next few weeks. I wish I had internet at my home. I am in a motel in woodward ok. at this moment fixing to leave to help with a customer quail hunt.
Do quails have souls?

3/04/2006 04:59:00 AM  
Blogger nathaniel adam king said...

Kris just gained himself six years in purgatory. Anyone else looking for extra time? Huh? Didn't think so. Don't mess with me...

3/04/2006 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

You guys crack me up. This is way too much for me to try and explain to those who read this and scratch their heads but it's a great example of life at the pub. ;-)

3/04/2006 12:14:00 PM  
Blogger JP said...

Kc, I hope it is okay that I stole your post and put in on my blog. I wanted to point more folks in your direction and to the Pub (although, the two people who read my blog already come here and to the Pub...)

I personally appreciate the Pub for its willingness to be real and fun as well as seriously concerned about issues...

Oh yeah, one other thing:

Sofyst is poo.... :)

3/05/2006 10:25:00 AM  
Blogger Kc said...

Welcome Rev! It's an honor to share this promo-roast with you. Me and your other reader are always blessed reading your blog just as we are reading your thoughts in the forum. Once more you've cut to the heart of the matter and stated plainly, the poop is poo but yes, we love him. ;-)

3/05/2006 01:39:00 PM  

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